Joe Biden's Sexist Remarks About Palin - It's Started Already!!??

Sir there is no place for your common sense here.

Yes there is!

If people come out and expose these ridiculous smears for what they are; desperate attempts to scrape the bottom of the barrel, in order to sway a few people who cant respond to anything but their emotions and gut reactions.

You forgot when in politics. Everytime you talk about a woman, you're a sexist.

I thought the article was short and weak. It seemed like the author, knowing full well that Biden would eventually put his foot-in-mouth regarding Palin, just HAD to be the first to report it.

I'm sure we'll get some choice comments by him before the election is over. Let's not reach for something this weak.

MRZK.COM, Palin and Obama have approximately the same level of international experience!

Sexist is using a wholey unqualifed woman as a pawn as is the case here. Sexist is again using a woman so you can appeal to a certain segment of the electorate that you youself cannot reach. Sexist is offering your wife up at a motorcycle gathering to compete in a wet T shirt contest.

Sexist is using a wholey unqualifed woman as a pawn as is the case here.

Exactly. The Republicans were totally freaked out by the visuals of Obama and his family coming out of the convention and realized that McCain's life is really not about family values at all. So they got Palin to come in to divert people's attention from McCain's obvious sexism and weak claim to family values.

I'm wondering how the 'family values' party feels about a mother working outside the home and leaving her five children without the constant attention needed from their mother?

I'm also wondering how they'll respond to this working hockey mom's family story when they find out her unmarried 17 year old daughter is pregnant?

Hey Curious.. they are trying to spin it as making a brave choice to keep the child. Getting all noble about it.

"If life hands you lemons, pretend like that is what you expected all along and it proves you are right and moral"

Yep, in public they are. I wonder how this will actually pan out in the voting booth. And, by 'they' I mean the 'moral majority' voters, not the talking heads.

Anyone who says they are in the moral majority scares me. I just hear imperial march everytime I read something like that.

Being ignorant of reality is more dangerous that someone saying outloud what I am sure millions of people think.

Quoted for truth!

Good point. Here a link to the McCain butt-staring incident. I especially like it when he subconsciously plays with his wedding ring.

Let's be real about who's the skirt-chaser in this election.

Hannity: HE'S A POW.

Don Fowler's comments were stupid, right along with Focus on the Family calling for their members to pray for rain during Obama's speech.

RVN68, what are your thoughts on asking God for something as silly and selfish as this? What do you think God thinks of these kinds of prayers?

Thank You!

Exactly!!!When did we become so strange that you can't remark on a Male or a Females looks or sex appeal. Didn't the Creator kind of put that in our genes??
And that's why we're all here.

It's called objectification. Check out some feminist literature.

objectify - make impersonal or present as an object; "Will computers depersonalize human interactions?"; "Pornography objectifies women"

So, the recognition of beauty in anyone automatically relegates them to the status of "object"?

Good to know. I'm just going to stay in the house from now on. There's too many social rules these days and i just cant keep up.

Women tend to be judged by their physical aspects first, and often exclusively.

But hey, if you'd rather contort what I'm saying so you don't have to go through the uncomfortable process of actually thinking about gender issues, go for it. 'Cause, you know, reading and thinking are hard.

Maxwell, you look to me as the performing contortionist.

I only wish. That would mean I was thinner.

Look, here's how it breaks down: we live in a patriarchal society. The male standard of beauty is far more lax, and far less important in how a man is regarded than the female standard. The female standard is dictated by men. This is why women over 40 have more problems getting jobs, and respect. This is why most of our advertising involves women wearing more make-up than clothes, looking sexy for the camera. This is why there are so many women raped and molested. This is why the sexual appeal of Obama and McCain has been largely absent from the media, whereas the sexual appeal of Clinton and Palin were rampant. Women are objects first, people second.

Thing is, men don't like to think about these things. They don't like to talk about them. These things challenge the very foundations of our culture, which is very uncomfortable for the people that benefit from such inequity. This is why white people get irrational about race; it challenges all of the things we want to keep taking for granted.

What kills me is when men dismiss sexism despite the fact that they have no context for being the "lesser" gender. When men dismiss feminism, with no context but sitcoms and Rush Limbaugh. When men trust the opinion of one woman that legitimizes what they want to believe over thousands of others that revile her. These unconscious and conscious thought processes are sexist, in and of themselves.

Max, I agree with 23.6.

I am a woman over 40, I agree its hard.

But, remember too, that SOME woman use that opinion for and to their advantage. On one side it helps them to get attention, and on the other they can use the word 'victim' of it to help them.

So who is wrong with the objectificating then, when it is used as a weapon FOR their benefit?

Wow. You have got to be kidding me. I thought that the people decrying Fowler as wanting to kill Americans was reaching. You have raised the bar for us all.

You are making a whole lot of something, from nothing. I don't dispute your long winded, erroneous argument for the perceived roles of women in society. I dispute its application in this context.

This is not sexism any more than the acknowledgment of Obama's skin color is racism, no matter how much you'd like to present it as such.

You're right, CS in this particular context about BIDEN it doesn't work, it isn't applicable.

BUT in general it does.

Perhaps someone would like to make a thoughtful separate seed?

Sorry, but I'm going to have to call bull@!$%# on this. Thing is, men don't like to think about these things. They don't like to talk about them. These things challenge the very foundations of our culture, which is very uncomfortable for the people that benefit from such inequity. That is, in and of itself, sexist.

On the whole, the complex causes of behavior surrounding cultural notions of beauty are far more complex than the typical feminist sophistry allows for, nor does it seem that feminism is particularly geared towards accepting the notion that evolution has predisposed all sexually reproducing species to form judgments about reproductive fitness based on physical appearance.

And, frankly, your comment that "so many women" are "raped and molested" because of a male standard of beauty is so far off the track as to call into question most of your post.

Perhaps someone would like to make a thoughtful separate seed?

I'd most definitely support that.

Its to be expected that this kind of thing will be spun every which way from Sunday, but it's hard to stand by and watch this kind of propaganda be spoon fed to everyone.

iarnuocon, great post. you went where i was too inarticulate to go. the acceptance of many of those supposed stereotypes only enlarges the societal walls which many women still face. also if we were to embrace the world that maxwell sees, we would not be able to accept much that science has taught us about biology and psychology, nor would we be able to celebrate the kind of diversity we currently enjoy.